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Agna

Back at the start of November you added details to Agna that included the fact that she carries a note. This same information was added to the note page by Bwross way back in Jan 2012. Could you add to this query any relevant information, as the CK and CSlist do not confirm this detail, thanks. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 02:51, 29 December 2013 (GMT)

Ebony Mail bug

Hi, you added that the Ebony Mail was fixed with patch 1.9. Do we have any indications about that beside that the bug doesn't exist anymore? Because I think that the bug actually never existed at all - the note was added by an anon way back in 2012, apparently without further verification. But I may have simply overlooked something. --Alfwyn (talk) 15:56, 21 January 2014 (GMT)

I don't have any personal knowledge of this, I just copied what was already on the page and put it into bug form, assuming it was true. The patch noted for version 1.9 do include the fix Fixed issues with Matching Set perk not working properly with certain pieces of armor, but neglect to say which pieces of armor. However, the cslist entry for the Ebony Mail doesn't show any changes, so I would concur that the bug probably never existed in the first place. --AN|L (talk) 16:17, 21 January 2014 (GMT)

Thanks. Yeah, one would sometimes wish there was more detail to some bug fix descriptions. They did change the perk, to recognize a few more materials, like ArmorMaterialBlades from all I can see. --Alfwyn (talk) 16:28, 21 January 2014 (GMT)

al-[birth city name]

I'm pretty sure this is how Redguards (most Crowns, at the very least), formulate their surnames. Besides Al-Skaven, the author of this note is "al-Hegathe". There are probably more examples out there. It may just be where their family is from, though, not necessarily their birth city. But keep an eye out! Hopefully, we can note the matter on the Redguard lore page. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 20:30, 29 March 2014 (GMT)

Looks like this is something that's being introduced in ESO. al-Skaven is the only use of that formulation on our Names page, and the only one I can find in any previous game, but there are four in the ESO books we have so far (al-Gilane, al-Ash'abah, al-Rihad, and al-Tigonus). Those named all do seem to be Redguards, and correspond to cities/locations in Hammerfell. -- Hargrimm^(T) 20:44, 29 March 2014 (GMT)

It would be consistent with the way that some real life Arabs (fairly similar to Redguards) formulate their names. Arab naming conventions are quite complex (they can have around five names), but many of them have an al-(city or country) name that indicated where the family traces its lineage back to. Just an interesting tidbit. --AN|L (talk) 20:51, 29 March 2014 (GMT)

"No bearing on Skyrim whatsoever"

I left a question on "Skyrim talk:Giant". You deleted it, leaving this as an "explanation". Why? - 89.70.239.244 16:18, 8 April 2014 (GMT)

The TVtropes article you mentioned has nothing to do with Giants or Dragons in Skyrim, or even with the game itself, it is simply a comment on something that happens on television. They aren't suggesting that Giants try to ride dragons in Skyrim, or in any other game where Giants and Dragons occur together. --AN|L (talk) 16:41, 8 April 2014 (GMT)

Except this was from an article talking specifically about stuff happening in Skyrim alone. This confused me, which is why I came here to have someone confirm or deny this claim. Also, TVTropes are about all kinds of media, not just television. - 89.70.239.244 16:53, 8 April 2014 (GMT)

TV tropes is one of those sites you don't take at face value, any claims they make are not required to have any citations or backing by their own rules, so stupid claims like this shouldn't even be taken as half-truths (though in all likelihood, there's a mod for that). Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 17:41, 8 April 2014 (GMT)

Harmony Revert

What makes you say that Harmony killing things isn't notable? I think it's especially notable for birds, which can be almost impossible to hit otherwise. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 21:28, 1 May 2014 (GMT)

It was always my impression and experience that any spell or shout that affects and enemy could be used to kill bugs and birds and knock down pots, even if it doesn't do damage. So if we have that on the page, then it should be on the page of Turn Undead, Calm, Fury, etc. --AN|L (talk) 22:45, 1 May 2014 (GMT)

True, though little else has the kind of range that Harmony does, I think. I'm not aware of ever having killed a bird with anything else I've tried, cuz they're usually too high up. You may have a point, though. I'll leave it off for now, and if someone feels it should be re-added, I'm sure they will. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 22:48, 1 May 2014 (GMT)

Userboxes

Hello! I was hoping you could help me with something. On my User page I have some user boxes, however, I don't know how to line them up properly. Any help would be appreciated! Tandil, Master of Restoration (talk) 15:45, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

Hah, I had the same problem for a while. The way I solved it was putting {{NewLine}} tags at the end of every group of userboxes I wanted to be on the same line. So first line: userbox, usebox, userbox, newline, and then repeat. --AN|L (talk) 15:49, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

Another option is to put them in a table. It has the advantage of being a bit more flexible, but the disadvantage of also being more complex. Wiki tables aren't always the most intuitive things to create. I think I only really got the hang of them a year or two after I started editing here. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 16:11, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

Thanks for your help, I used the NewLine at the end. Thanks Robin for also replying. Tandil, Master of Restoration (talk) 16:15, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

Bed rolls

Can I ask why you've started changing bed rolls to bedrolls seeing as I've had them in the past changed from bedrolls to bed rolls, which is how it is shown in the game and the reason I now show it correctly as per the game. Cheers. Biffa (talk) 11:42, 6 June 2014 (GMT)

Because I thought that was the way to spell it, simply enough. I see now that they are spelled as "bed roll" ingame, though the only two books that mention them spell it as one word. --AN|L (talk) 15:04, 6 June 2014 (GMT)

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't spelling it incorrectly for the game/site, because I know there are exception or things that have previously been agreed. Thanks. Biffa (talk) 14:17, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

Hunt and Gather note undo

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. I noticed I was unable to enter the Fellstar Farm without picking the lock during the "Hunt and Gather" quest. I then deiced to leave it for later. I started the "The Book of Love" quest, and at the point when you tell either male that is interested in Fastred what to do, they run off to Fastred. At that point, you can enter the farm house without issue. Allowing you to enter without issue and pick up the spoon. This is what I did. That is why I made the note, so others would be aware of another alternative.

Also, it is pointless to undo someones edit unless you have proof the person is wrong. On top of that, why would I have taken the time to post this minor detail unless I had done the task. What would be in it for me? I even post anonymously as I don't care about how many "edits" I have, but how correct the information is.

I find this kind of wiki nannyism not only off putting, discouraging, but pointlessly rude and self promoting for the person that does the undoing. You fail to understand that taking the time to correct the comment is way more helpfull and encouraging for others than simply hitting undo. It is self-righteous timewasters like you that piss people off to the point that you will have no one new that is willing to help edit what should be a community, not a dicitorship.

So, if you don't mind, put the comment back, make a correction or check it out for yourself. Do not simply hit undo. Also, I doult I'll be making any corrections, edits or additions as you have left a rather bad taste in my mouth in relation to UESP, a site I had previously throughly enjoyed and used often. — Unsigned comment by 203.206.128.41 (talk) at 03:44 on 8 June 2014

Your attitude is entirely unwelcome. Anil has shown time and again that he can accept when he has made a mistake. Neither your edit or your summary for that edit made it clear how the quest made entering the farm easier. All you had to do was post the first paragraph as explanation and leave it, you did not have to go and break every wiki-etiquette rule on personal attacks that were ever written. Editors are not expected to check each edit's factual correctness before editing either, nor should they take responsibility for someone else's claim by trying to guess the reason for an edit. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 04:07, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

As to the conditions under which it's possible, I took a look in the CK and I see nothing that would specifically allow either of the lovers to enter her house, but there may be engine-level coding that allow people to enter specific destinations in order to avoid the locked-door scenarios that plagued Oblivion. The notability of the note is what concerns me here, though. If Fastred is always in her farm, then that's a great note to add, since it's a guaranteed free way in. If she's only there to sleep, though, then I see the note as less important—possibly unnotable—because the free way in is now time-dependent as well as dependent on another quest. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 05:16, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

It's been my experience in Ivarstead that Fastred is outside on the farm with her parents during the day. Also, unless Fellstar Farm is an exception to this, houses in Skyrim are unlocked during the day. Even if the Book of Love does unlock the door, it isn't all that helpful. --AN|L (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

Lmstearn's Contribution to Toadstool Hollow

Hi Anil, Not sure about the reason "necro" is for deleting the enitire contribution made [[1]]. It provides additional information pertaining to the article and the commentary on it. I'm happy to discuss valid arguments as for the entire deletion, but I'm afraid that for a game as old as Oblivion, "necro" just doesn't quite dice it.--Lmstearn (talk) 10:26, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

"Necro" is just a shorthand way of writing "necropost", which basically means that you were contributing to a discussion that had already been closed. We typically revert such posts because there's almost never anything to be gained from reviving a discussion that everyone else has forgotten about. The discussion in question will be exactly 3 years old tomorrow, and neither of the participants in that discussion are still active on the wiki. Your post basically provided an explanation for what might have caused a personal anecdote that wasn't even included in the article, so there wasn't really any need to continue the discussion, which is why Anil reverted your edit. ThuumofReason (talk) 12:44, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

It would be good etiquette at any rate to notify the contributor of a pending deletion. Yes, necroposts are often viewed as being unproductive and irrelevant, which is in many cases a shame as they often shed new light or introduce a new angle to the argument. I have contributed necro style to many discussions here. The effluxion of time is not necessarily detrimental to appreciation of the points put forward of a discussion thread. The version of Oblivion is the same now as it was then. The spawning pattern and behavior of this particular dungeon is different to most encountered so I guess the other option is to attempt to modify the actual article itself rather than initiate a separate thread.--Lmstearn (talk) 14:39, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

Necroposting is the act of pointless additions to conversations. Replying to an ancient conversation is not always necroposting, it is the content of the post and its relevance to the current state of the page. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 14:55, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

(edit conflict) Editors aren't required to inform other editors before undoing an edit because nothing would ever get done if we had to argue over every single change. As long as you have a good reason for undoing an edit and you explain it in the edit summary (which Anil did), you're following the proper etiquette procedures. You are correct that if an issue is particularly pressing and hasn't been answered, it is acceptable to revive a discussion on rare occasions, but I don't really feel this was one of those cases. You can add that information to the article yourself if you can confirm that it occurs, but there's not really any need to add anything to the talk page about it. Hope this helps! ThuumofReason (talk) 15:06, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

Perhaps in a future update of the wiki software, we can only hope that all such notifications of pointblank contribution deletion will be system generated. In retrospect, the issue to be shared with on Toadstool Hollow is of a more general nature, and have therefore posted it to Oblivion_talk:Dungeons#Frequency_of_Monster_Spawn:_Dungeon_Names--Lmstearn (talk) 05:53, 9 June 2014 (GMT)

That's not likely to ever happen, as some posts on old topics are okay, depending on age of the thread/content. It's just that 90% of those posts are unnecessary. --AN|L (talk) 15:10, 9 June 2014 (GMT)

About Flora and Fauna in the holds

I saw that you deleted information about flora found in specific locations in the holds articles. I just want to explain why I put it there. I tried to be general about the flora in the hold like for lavender and tundra cotton in Whiterun because they are not bound to a specific location. But when some flora had a location in Whiterun that was noted on their individual page for being very rich, I tried to mention it. An example is blue mountain flower that is very abundant around sleeping tree camp and purple mountain flower which is very abundant around Rorikstead. The same goes of course for the other articles. Another example is Chillwind in Hjaalmarch which is known to be extremely rich in all sort of Flora, shouldn't it be mentioned in the flora section for the hold then? Sciferr (talk) 11:42, 26 June 2014 (GMT)

The hold articles are meant to be a very general overview of the hold, not a definitive accounting of everything in the hold, so talking about what can be found at specific locations shouldn't be on that page. Also, some of the locations you noted are interior cells (like caves) and so what's inside of them isn't relevant to the gold as a whole. --AN|L (talk) 15:38, 26 June 2014 (GMT)

Ok I see, even if I don't completely agree. You probably want to take a look at Whiterun hold and Eastmarch too to make the same type of modifications. Where would that kind of information be relevant because I feel it's missing? Would it be interesting with a separate article (e.g. Flora in Whiterun) with more in-depth descriptions of major concentrations? Sciferr (talk) 16:11, 26 June 2014 (GMT)

Major concentrations are noted on the ingredient pages, where it is far more relevant. Ingredients generally only located in one hold may be notable as an aside in a longer paragraph (tundra cotton in Whiterun, creep cluster in Eastmarch), but not alone. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 17:37, 26 June 2014 (GMT)

Yes I know they are listed there, that was one of my main sources of information. The reason I wanted to add the information in one place is that it's hard to browse ingredients after area, in practice you have to check every ingredient separately. I totally understand if the hold pages are meant to be fork pages and need to be kept general but I'll ask again, if I wrote a more detailed page about the general geography of a hold and which flora and fauna to be found there, would it be deleted? I thinking like a description of a dungeon but much less general. Please be encouraging to a new contributor, because I really want to help :) Sciferr (talk) 19:21, 26 June 2014 (GMT)

A page describing what flora and fauna is found can be found in a hold, and where in particular, has, in my opinion, very little use. We do have policies on redundancy, and this would fall foul of it because it repeats information in a limited scale that can be found in more useful pages such as the ingredient page or an individual place page. It's alright to say (for example) that tundra cotton can be found in the northern parts of Whiterun Hold, but it isn't to start listing the exact amounts around each location; the mere mention of its commonality is enough to say that if you are looking for it then look here. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:42, 26 June 2014 (GMT)

Last post, two questions. 1, Is talk pages the right place to have this kind of discussions? 2, If I interpret the last post right, it would be ok to write: "Flora A, B and C is native and can be found throughout the hold. Flora D and E can be found in large quantities ("enough to be noted on the page for D and E") at specific locations (see page for D and E for more info). Dungeon F and G are known to be rich in ingredients." This is just a few lines but I really think they would be helpful. My intention were never to list every location with the exact amount but just to mention those ingredients and locations that really stands out. Thanks for the earlier replies and the next one in advance Sciferr (talk) 20:54, 26 June 2014 (GMT)

(←) Yes, talk pages are definetely the right place to have this kind of discussion. As to your second question, the first sentence would be alright to describe the general qualities of the hold, but the other parts should not be added to the page. The goal of this page is to just describe the hold as a whole and what you might generally expect. It's like if you are descriving the geography of the hold, it would be alright to say "X mountain range lies to the west" but not to say "X mountain range contains Dwarven ruin Y and Fort Z". --AN|L (talk) 23:42, 26 June 2014 (GMT)

Undo

I was wondering about the undo you made "undo per previous undo" was it something I did or something else? Lorenut (talk) 23:41, 17 July 2014 (GMT)

No. I added something to the article without realizing that the guy who added the info you removed had readded it, so I went back and undid his edit. Your edit was fine. --AN|L (talk) 23:50, 17 July 2014 (GMT)

Thanks I'm glad it wasn't me. If I do ever do anything wrong please let me know. Lorenut (talk) 23:52, 17 July 2014 (GMT)

Stony Creek Cave

Thank you for verifying Stony Creek Cave. I must've wandered around trying to verify it myself for about 10 minutes and couldn't find the freakin' Iron Ore vein anywhere. Then I got sidetracked and when I went back, you'd already fixed it. Sure enough, this time when I re-loaded Skyrim, there was the Iron Ore vein right there where it should've been. I swear someone moved it on me the first time (says the guy who's probably delusional from only getting 4 hours sleep). :P Anyway, thanks again! – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 22:35, 8 August 2014 (GMT)

Sandbox Permission

Mind if I snip your sandbox we were speaking about earlier so I can make some final changes and the page can finally be launched? If not that, can I please edit your sandbox directly? --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 02:39, 10 August 2014 (GMT)

No problem, copy or edit it however you want. --AN|L (talk) 10:37, 10 August 2014 (GMT)

Actually, most of it is basically fine. I want to edit the pages more later, but I don't want to be rude and take edits away from you. If you could, please copy-paste your completed articles in that sandbox to the redirects that currently take up their page name. If you are fine with me doing so, I will with your blessing. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 14:46, 11 August 2014 (GMT)

Sorry for the delayed response, I'm out of town at the moment. I don't have access to a computer, so if you really want to get this project done, I'm fine with you moving them. Otherwise, I'll deal with them when I get back on friday. --AN|L (talk) 10:05, 13 August 2014 (EDT)

And on the topic of your sandboxes, I just made a minor change to both Sandbox Aleph and the Mod Header template that it calls. While it may not look pretty in your case, that is the intended behaviour when multiple page icons (including mod headers) are on the same page, so we don't get overlapping icons if we have multiple mod headers, protection templates, etc. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 19:22, 15 August 2014 (GMT)

Okay, all the items are copied to their relevant pages. All except a few also have needsimage tags. --AN|L (talk) 21:55, 15 August 2014 (GMT)

Easter Eggs

Hey, Anil! The reason I deleted that comment was because the discussion originated (and was resolved) in March. Another anon revived it 3 months afterward with a proposal that probably should have been listed under a separate heading, but was still relevant enough for me to leave it at the time. It has now been another 3 months since that last comment, so I really don't think it's appropriate to keep making comments on a discussion that's over half a year old. If we're going to revive the discussion, it should really be under a separate heading.

Also, when it comes to judging eggs for inclusion, I think failure to reach consensus is a type of resolution in and of itself, since the default position is not to allow anything on the page without consensus for inclusion anyway. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 17:17, 8 October 2014 (GMT)

Falmer Shaman

"I don't have the necessary data at hand to properly judge an article alteration hence I'll just delete it" is NOT reconcilable with the kind of professionalism expected from a mentor! I made the effort to upload pics of the concerning falmer shaman on photobucket but thanks to the security query for posting external links not quite working I'm forced to send them to you via email. Moving on... Since it was presented as a likely assumption and not fact and our friendly competitor site "The elder scrolls wiki" comes to the same conclusion in their Feral Falmer article I see no reason for deletion. Shimenawa (talk) 19:42, 10 October 2014 (GMT)

Unlike our 'friendly competitor' we deal only in facts. Trivia and guesswork can be left to the more unprofessional and less serious wikis. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:50, 10 October 2014 (GMT)

I'm perfectly content with rephrasing, but even without 'guesswork' it comes down to the fact that falmer don't possess wings, yet pure-blooded vampires do (if vampire lords are suitable as any indication) and those falmer were all infected by Vyrthur which makes vampirism the common denominator. I would suggest to move the article addition to some (frozen) falmer lore article but it doesn't seem to fit anywhere and it would be a shame to just lose it altogether because of this. UESP is about preserving information, not discarding it. Shimenawa (talk) 20:01, 10 October 2014 (GMT)

I apologize if I was unclear in my edit summary. I didn't revert your edit because I couldn't find any pictures to substantiate whether or not they have wings on their backs (I've looked at the pictures you sent me, and I can see now that they do have wings), I reverted it because it is speculation to assume the wings are related to the wings on a vampire lord. The wings of gargoyles also look similar to the wings of vampire lords, but that doesn't mean the two are related either. From a lore perspective, there's no possible relationship either, since only those infected by a Child of Coldharbor can become vampire lords, and Vyrthur wasn't. The fact that Frozen Falmer have vestigial wings can certainly be added to the article though --AN|L (talk) 20:08, 10 October 2014 (GMT)

Also, you can upload the images directly to the UESP if you think they should be added to the article, as we don't link to external images in pages (though the images you sent me have UI elements in them, so you should prolly retake them before uploading). See Help:Images for details. --AN|L (talk) 20:16, 10 October 2014 (GMT)

No need for apologies; I know you didn't mean to offend and neither was it my intention! I just thought it would be quite bizarre to simply state the unusual modification in the falmer appearance in the respective falmer page without any possible explanation whatsoever. as for vyrthur: whence the dovahkiin is turned by harkon he is described as being "of mixed blood" bei valerica and consequently his appearance in vampire lord form lacks most of the elaborate ornamentation of harkons form; if the potency loss between the vampire generations is that drastic, vyrthur's children could be a degenerated version of the vampire lords if his sire was already past third generation. But I do agree that this is highly speculative - still, I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to note in the falmer article or wherever the final change will be implemented that the shaman's unusual appearance might be in conjunction with their vampirism since no other explanation was given either and that's the only uncommon definite alteration to their physiology we know of. Shimenawa (talk) 20:33, 10 October 2014 (GMT)

I would agree with adding the presence of wings to the page. --AN|L (talk) 21:27, 10 October 2014 (GMT)

Mentor Program

Hey Anil. This is an official notice to let you know that you no longer meet the qualifications for the mentor program, as you haven't been active in almost 6 months. I'll be removing the userbox from your page once the ten days have passed. Feel free to re-add yourself to the mentor list in future if you like! —Legoless (talk) 20:09, 1 July 2015 (UTC)