Lore talk:Sinweaver

Replicas in Lore

So I removed the replicas line because, as far as lore is concerned, there is only one vestige, one main character for ESO. How do I know this? Because Kaalgrontiid only dies once. The Veiled Heritance is only defeated once. It isn't defeated a great number of times by random adventurers from across tamriel. The game being an MMO is a mechanic, and game mechanics do not belong in lore. I believe we need to open a discussion about the widespread use of game mechanics in lore, specifically in regards to numbers of characters that interact with artifacts and events. Any sort of reference to "A great number" of anything hinges entirely on the MMO game mechanic of multiple people and we cannot cherry pick when we refer to more than one thing and when we don't. In addition, I don't believe being purchased from the crown store should be canonized as it would be in this case. Including "a great number of replicas" would also necessitate an entry on the second era article that a large number of the citizens of tamriel received a monthly stipend of golds because they paid real money for a subscription service in the real world. That may sound ridiculous to add, but it is the exact same situation we have here with the replicas. A large number of people purchased replicas with crowns they received via real money or ESO plus. That's not lore, that's a game mechanic. Jeancey (talk) 22:21, 4 November 2019 (GMT)

So... I don't know if this is supposed to be a separate discussion or just a note since there's another ongoing discussion about this topic? But I guess just to restate my thoughts I agree that noting that replicas were in circulation isn't the most important or relevant bit of lore to add, however, in Sinweaver's case it should be mentioned in some regard since it tells us that the artifact is old enough to be around since the Second era, and without the info the latest we'd know of it is 3E oblivion. Maybe we could just say instead "Sinweaver has been around since at least the Interregnum" or something like that with a ref linking to the artifact style? The Rim of the Sky (talk) 03:49, 5 November 2019 (GMT)

This was actually created before the other discussion. I think that something along those lines would work... maybe something like "References to the artifact have been around since the middle second era" or something like that? Jeancey (talk) 17:01, 5 November 2019 (GMT)

Restored the line; no consensus for its removal was established on the Community Portal. I've removed any mention of the number of replicas seen, since assumptions about player purchases seemed to be the part that was most objected to. —Legoless (talk) 02:48, 25 January 2020 (GMT)