General talk:Real-World References

Tables

This page would probably work better merged into a single table with {{LE}}s. —Legoless (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

I was thinking about it as well. However, if we take headers off of the page, TOC goes as well. Perhaps, something like this? Is there another way to use {{LE}} and have TOC on the page, which I'm not aware of?  ~Shuryard (talk) 02:22, 10 May 2015 (GMT)

For now it's probably simpler to have no TOC. If the page gets longer, we can always group the references by type (places, religious references, whatever). —Legoless (talk) 13:16, 10 May 2015 (GMT)

Fair enough. Done.  ~Shuryard (talk) 12:27, 11 May 2015 (GMT)

Oghma

The word Oghma (Oghma Infinium, The Onus of the Oghma, Oghma of Inevitable Retribution) likely comes from the Celtic god Oghma, the mythical creator of the ancient Ogham script. —Legoless (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

Emperor Cuhlecain, the Emperor Zero (?b - 2E 854)

Is the afore-mentioned Emperor a reference to the fabled Cú Chulainn, sometimes written Cúchulainn, an Irish folk hero? His similar name seems to hint towards such being possible. Therefore, I suggest that Emperor Cuhlecain's name is based off of Cú Chulainn. — Unsigned comment by 67.142.178.21 (talk) at 17:01 on 8 July 2015 (UTC)

You have more or less the same letters in the two names, but that is as close as it gets without further similarities or some kind of official statement from the developers. —MortenOSlash (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

It's also not very close as far as pronunciation goes: "cu-le-khan/cu-le-cain" vs "cu cullin". —Legoless (talk) 17:33, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Mehrunes Dagon

If Molag Bal is already mentioned, perhaps we could add Dagon, another Mesopotamian deity who is another "enemy god" in the Bible. — Unsigned comment by Cailin (talk • contribs) at 11:40 on 19 June 2016

Sure, though it may be more honest for us to also note that Dagon bears connections with a whole bunch of stuff. Something like "Dagon was the name of an East Semitic Mesopotamian fertility god which spread and evolved across cultures, and went on to be widely used in popular media." It would be nice if we had something to say about "Mehrunes" as well, but I'm not aware of its roots at the moment. Insignificant Revisions^{Threats•Evidence} 18:06, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Emperor Cuhlecain

Could it be that Emperor Cuhlecain was named after Cú Chulainn, or is it just a case of being a similar name? --Rezalon (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

I see zero connection between the two of them, and the names are pronounced totally differently as well. Also this was already discussed above. —Legoless (talk) 00:10, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

The Night Mother

It's possible the Night Mother was inspired by the demon Lilith of Jewish folklore. Lilith is said to be a child-snatcher who strangles or cuts the throats of human newborns, like the original Night Mother did to the five children she had with Sithis. Lilith is also said to have mated with a demon and birthed the lilim, night demons that attacked people, which Dark Brotherhood assassins could easily be seen as. The name 'Lilith' even means 'night hag' which combined with her image as the mother of demons could easily become merged into 'Night Mother'. — Unsigned comment by 68.14.142.89 (talk) at 21:35 on 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Orcs and Khans

Am I the only one feeling the connection between Orcs and Khans might be a bit obscure? Distant similarities, maybe, but reference? I do not feel the relationship between them are as strong as any of the other mentioned on the page. —MortenOSlash (talk) 14:01, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Either the description on the page is wrong, or the majority of listings are wrong. All the original races took inspiration from real-life empires/groups of people. The Aldmer have Japanese and Greek similarities, the Bretons have Franco-European similarities (and took their name from the Bretons of Brittany). The Orc clan structure does resemble the one which existed in Mongolia, and the term Mongol is/was used as an insult. There were occasional periods when the Mongols banded together under one ruler, the most famous of them being Genghis Khan, though the Orcs have never achieved the military conquests that he did. The "Khans" as listed on the page were just the rulers of the clans, so that needs to be changed.

The comparisons between the races and their real-life inspirations seems to be the goal of the page. Something like Tiber Septims name being taken from a river in Italy is more of an Easter egg. It seems that many of these have been lumped onto the page in order to justify its existence, rather than rely on quality content which it pretends to desire in its head paragraph. The page name probably needs changed too, references are things that do reference real life things, but these are already covered on our Easter Egg pages. The only use for this page is, as I mentioned, to list real-life similarities to concepts and things in the games. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 15:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

I can agree with the ancient Mongol reference somewhat, though I am not as convinced as with the others, but Khans seemed to me like a little derailed from that, even if Khan is a kind of ruler title used by the Mongols, it is supposed to be originally a Turkic title. —MortenOSlash (talk) 16:25, 17 March 2019 (UTC)